Sunday, March 8, 2009

Remembering Bra Burning Bogeymen on Women's Day

Since the Indian woman did not need to fight for her right to vote (suffrage), she has taken her right to vote and legal equality for granted. We are lucky. .... Now that we need to fight, here are some inspiring glimpses of women’s history, history of this struggle for basic rights.

Shouldn’t we study it in more detail in school, as a part of History?


A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

Many (most) of us are not aware of the struggle that women in the West went through to achieve voting rights for women (female suffrage). What you read below might seem ludicrous today but nearly a hundred years ago a lot of people (including women) all over the world thought it was the demands that were ludicrous.

Women worked and paid taxes but were denied the right to vote. Many of them said, "I prefer love to my rights.", "Oh it's a fad - nothing more.", and many feared that asking for suffrage made them lose their feminine charms ...

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1875

The Logic of the Law

In 1875 the Supreme court of Wisconsin in denying the petition of women to practice before it said:

"It would be shocking to a man's reverence for womanhood and faith in woman.... that woman should be permitted to mix professionally in all the nastiness which finds its way into courts of justice."

It then named thirteen subjects as unfit for attention of women, three of them crimes against women.

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"Look at the hazards, the risks, the physical dangers that ladies would be exposed to at the polls."
Anti-suffrage speech. (Suffrage- Right to Vote)

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February 21, 1915, Sunday

Section: Votes for Women Real Estate Automobiles, Page XX1, 433 words

In the editorial "The Woman Suffrage Crisis" in your issue of Feb. 7 this statement appeared: "The grant of suffrage to women is repugnant to instincts that strike their roots deep in the order of nature."

Is this an argument against female suffrage?

Do you think that manhood suffrage was granted because it was in accord with natural laws?

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ARE WOMEN PEOPLE?

(DO GO THROUGH THIS LINK WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE TIME)

1915

Women love self-sacrifice

Suffering and good advice;

If they don t love these sincerely

Then they re not true women really.

Oh, it shocks me so to note

Women pleading for the vote I

Saying publicly it would

Educate and do them good.

Such a selfish reason trips

Oddly from a woman s lips.

But it must not be supposed

I am in the least opposed.

If they want it let them try it.

For I think we'll profit by it.

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Lastly,

Bra Burning Feminist. A Bogeyman to scare women and men away?

"The stereotype of the “bra-burning feminist” is one that remains today as a sort of feminist bogeyman to scare women (and men) away from the movement by pointing out how “ridiculous” and “radical” feminists are. The rub is, feminists never burned their bras as a political statement.


It’s important to remember that, even though the particular claim is a myth, the act that it symbolized — a rejection of patriarchal beauty standards and the trappings that go with them — is absolutely a feminist cause and not trivial at all."

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Well behaved women rarely make history, Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

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We are fortunate enough to have inspiration in women who did struggle and succeed. Let's not give up without putting up a good fight, like Surbhi says, 'The new and improved 'desi girl' has decided she isn't going to wait for help - she will help herself... enna rascala mind it!'

Edited to add: Read about the struggle in Karachi here. (Rakesh thanks for the link!)

27 Reactions:

Usha Pisharody said...

Yes!!!

Along with Indyeah's post on what it means, to a woman, this post is a revelation of facts that I had not known, about the way women in the west too had to fight for that one right to vote!

They have, ever since, been carried forward by leaps and bounds haven't they? And yet to us for whom the right came naturally, we struggle with other legal and social aspects to find that equality!

Also there is this notion, misconception, as you rightly point out on the Bra burning woman being a feminist, and it has crept into the very concept of who can be termed a feminist! Sad, but true!

Another one to think and ingest!

Rakesh said...

You know that's what I was thinking about while driving today. I think this post http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2009/03/subliminal-mindfuck.html and the comments on it triggered this thinking process.

I was just wondering how different would the world be if throughout these years, we wouldn't have been biased against the women race. Maybe, there would be a lot less violence since women would be taken seriously and their opinion would've counted. Maybe, the women would've been fighting for more important causes rather than first making themselves just heard as a race.

Sure, I think I'd still like my wife to look after my son but maybe that's not the question. The question is of the choice - Whether my wife has the choice to work or not - That she certainly does without the fear of being judged for whatever choice she makes.

A lot of morons still think that this isn't important enough but just imagine if Womanism was a religion, this would've been the most biased against religion in the world.

Cheers IHM, Happy Women's day!

I at times feel you go overboard but when you think of it, (in terms of this post) you're totally justified.

hitch writer said...

Happy Woman's Day !!

striking it hard.... keep it up !

Bones said...

UK: In 1918 women over 30 got the vote. In 1928 they got voting equality with men.

US: Women got the vote in 1869 in Wyoming Territory in the USA followed by Colorado(1893), Utah (1896), Idaho (1896), Washington (1910), California (1911), Arizona (1912), Kansas (1912), Oregon (1912), Illinois (1913), Nevada (1914) and Montana (1914).
In 1920 the Nineteenth Amendment gave most women the right to vote.

Rest of World:
1893 - New Zealand is the first country to give women the vote.
1902 - Australia , although aboriginal women were not eligible to vote until 1967, when along with aboriginal men, they were granted full citizenship.
1906 - Finland is the first country in Europe to give women the vote.
1917 - Russia
1918 - United Kingdom (partial), Germany, Canada, Austria.
1920 - The USA, but not Native American women.
1925 - Italy
1928 - United Kingdom (full), Ireland
1930 - South Africa , but only to white women. Indian and 'coloured' women won the vote in 1984 and black women in 1994.
1931 - Spain
1932 - Brazil
1944 - France
1945 - Italy
1946 - Kenya, Palestine,
1947 - China, Pakistan,
1948 - Israel, Iraq,
1950 - India
1952 - Greece
1953 - Mexico
1956 - Egypt, Tunisia, Mauritius
1957 - Malaysia
1962 - Algeria
1971 - Switzerland
1974 - Jordan
1976 - Portugal
2001 - Bahrain

Indian Home Maker said...

@Bones Thanks!!! This was wonderful! I went through the list thanking our stars ....We were lucky we got our right to vote without any extra struggle! But now we must use that right to make sure we don't loose the rights that we do have.

@Rakesh 'Maybe, the women would've been fighting for more important causes rather than first making themselves just heard as a race.'
Please feel free to point out when you feel I go overboard, (email if you do not wish to leave a comment...) I really would like to know what made you think that...
I realise some times even if we are right, it's wiser to go one step at a time :)

@Hitchwriter The idea was to bring to notice that no mad women went over board burning bras, it was a very serious, very difficult struggle for some very basic rights. If you follow the links, you will be amazed at the amount of history we are not aware of!

@Usha Pisharody I wish this was a part of our school curriculum, along with the struggle for equal rights for African Americans. Also do take a look at the outrageous attitude of the Wisconsin court, their horror, "...that woman should be permitted to mix professionally in all the nastiness which finds its way into courts of justice."

It then named thirteen subjects as unfit for attention of women, three of them crimes against women.

This is why I think we need younger, educated leaders, they will never talk such nonsense!!

Indyeah said...

yes IHM this has been a long struggle for women all over the world.. yes ''Since the Indian woman did not need to fight for her right to vote (suffrage), she has taken her right to vote and legal equality for granted.''


But in India ,women (in all such countries actually which are culturally quite similar)have had to fight many other battles...life threatening ones..and are still fighting..against all odds...


''Bra Burning Feminist. A Bogeyman to scare women and men away?''yup!exactly!and the irony as you said is this never happened...

''It’s important to remember that, even though the particular claim is a myth, the act that it symbolized — a rejection of patriarchal beauty standards and the trappings that go with them — is absolutely a feminist cause and not trivial at all."

Absolutely!Thank you for a really well reserched post IHM..one that will hopefully break a few myths...

@Rakesh..yes Tazeen wrote really well ...and its just so baffling to think of these things...your questions too are bang on target..

@Usha:))thanks:)get it from the 3 fav ladies that I know here:))
a post on the ones who fought for us is due on mine too...its too long but..:D


PS:-like Dhiren's blog..your posts too dspr at times I am unable to see anything except a blank page...:(

Indyeah said...

IHM the PS was for your posts:D..heh!heh!you might mistakenly think its for Usha:)

nimis540 said...

thanks for sharing and kudos for being different and i appreciate your effort to bring history into our notice and for reminding about taking things for granted..

honestly speaking,most of us are so-take things for granted.We are so free and confident at this stage of life,mainly due to our parents and bcoz of the enviornement we come from..Nothing much is to our credit,for we would have already been shaped into a certain charater,by the time we become adults.Infact,we deserve no appreciation for what we are-but people behind us do,and not many remember that :)

Indian Home Maker said...

@Nimmy But read the last line, I added one more from Surbhi's post today ...'The new and improved 'desi girl' has decided she isn't going to wait for help - she will help herself... enna rascala mind it!'

@Indyeah I realise I did not convey what I wanted to convey :(

... so I have highlighted the last line, and also added a quote from Surbhi's post at the bottom.

What I was trying to say was, that freedom never comes easy and we are fortunate to know that we have their struggle and their success for inspiration and motivation.

Phoenixritu said...

Amazing post .... loved it

R.K. said...

Our independence from british rule is also taken as for granted by some people. But i feel that the liberty of women has not taken to be that much easily granted. Perhaps because it is still incomplete, and the fight is still going on...

Indian Home Maker said...

@Phoenixritu Thanks :)

@RK No not liberty RK only legal equality and the right to vote, ... and today we can find inspiration in the struggle that the women in the West went through - they succeeded so can we :) ... no? What do you think?

R.K. said...

I think that the history does less in inspiring, but more in providing strength during the fight. Just keep the fight on, not because they in past did it, but because we ourselves need it. In following that path of fighting, however, there are bound to come restrictions and resistance; and during those restrictions, the history can be beautifully referred to. If at those times , the women were able to unite and fight, why not today? These days, even you have more male feminists to support, which i suppose were less in past. But one thing important, feminists males can only support you, they are your allies, the women are the one who have to ask: WHY !!

Charakan said...

Good Post.I feel learning History is the most important thing in understanding our society. Hope this Women's day will energise the suppressed Women all over the World,especially those in Mangalore and Swat.

Indyeah said...

no no IHM !your post was absolutely clear..:)
I am the one who saw some other point altogether..(coz I had a discussion on this with a friend just before reading your post)

''We are fortunate enough to have inspiration in women who did struggle and succeed. Let's not give up without putting up a good fight''
yes IHM:)

when I see your previous post on fighting back and this one which emphasises the struggles that so many faced to enable us to come here...it becomes even more clear that your space has always been about fighting back and giving it all we have got...

I cannot remeber a time when I saw a gloomy note here ever..and this one too reminds us of where we have come from and where we have to go still...


so it is my interpretation rather than your post:)((hugs))

Love
Indyeah:)

Indian Home Maker said...

@RK Yes, I agree with you.

'These days, even you have more male feminists to support, which i suppose were less in past.' That is a huge change!

The men then actually said stuff like, 'Oh, it shocks me so to note, Women pleading for the vote I '

Indian Home Maker said...

@Charakan - What's happening in Mangalore and Swat is shockingly regressive , yes I hope so, and let's give them our best wishes.

Indian Home Maker said...

@Indyeah Awww .. you are really being kind :) Still, I have edited it now so it is totally clear :)

Mystic Margarita said...

Yes...it's been a long struggle, but there's still miles to go. Totally agree with you when you say that though bra burning is a myth, the act it symbolized holds true even today.

Piper .. said...

wow! This has been quite a revelation actually. Even Bones` comment plus Indyeah`s post. Thanks all. And a very Happy Woman`s day!(This is the fifth time I`m wishing you, in all my excitement! :)

Smita said...

In few words, yes we take our independence & rights for granted :(

Rakesh said...

Hey IHM, what I meant with that paragraph was that it is tough for women to make themselves to be taken seriously! Just imagine, if they didn't have to waste so much time and energy in that, they would've concentrated all of this energy in more serious issues. I know, the words didn't come out right, But now I guess you understand.

And with regards to going overboard, I just meant the constant barrage of posts on your blog about women rights. India in that regard, is not that bad. Things have changed quite a bit. Yes, there are instances here and there but overall I believe, the Indian woman is a lot better placed than earlier. You can give this topic a rest at times and go back to funnier or some other equally relevant issues. Like for instance the Manusmriti post, I mean, who seriously believes in that crap these days? Not even the staunchest of MCPs would believe in that stuff.

Yes, it is fine to just create awareness of why we are conditioned the way we are but I would've enjoyed a lighter tone. Ya, and the tone of your posts at times is quite strong.

OmG, what am I doing? I mean, please this is just an answer to your question but please please do not change anything in your posts or blog coz. it is this difference that makes the world beautiful [copied this line from somewhere :)]

And please feel free to not post this comment. I just told you what I think only because you asked. I would however like to add that you've caused some serious changes in my way of thinking.

Poonam Sharma said...

These three articles are fantastic, bring oout and squash myths as they should be.

Here's another piece that might interest you:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7870616.stm

Chirag said...

Yes, we seldom hold anything at values, till we have struggled for ti, that's why may be parents used to say if you want a cycle get 85%.

Ya, if history has taught us one thing it is "it was full of errors and instruments to keep the society divided"

What you missed in the history recap though is IHM, in Europe, USA... Most of the first world countries, now, millions of women were tortured and assassinated, for being priestess and well read, this was a drive from a certain religious sect to portray the men as the stronger gender. So, though right to vote is not connected, you must look at the pagan religion which was way before most of the popular ones and which preached the balance of nature.

Do find out why Sunday is a holiday all across.

Dr Roshan R said...

it was amazing reading this post and even the comments.. you've taken a lot of pain compiling the data and it shows.. kudos

Beth said...

Hey there, I was checking out your blog and I really like this. I am not sure when Belizean woman got the right to vote. I have to check that out.

What abour other biases? Belize is full of them...

amit said...

It was a long struggle, wasn't it? I hope that we are at the fag end of it.
Happy belated woman's day!